Reverand Frit chman said there could be more effective interpersonal relationships in church but that he doubted the advisability of social groups devoted exclusively to the problem because the churches that had tried it had disappeared. He also doubted the advisability of preaching a sermon only on that the mo, but was open to discussion on the matter

Rowland saw much improvement in the last 20 to 30 years but he saw danger of a sellout unless homosexuals allied themselves politically and socially with the progressive forces in our nation. He suggested that the trade unions and racial minorities were our natural allies.

Miller disagreed violently, in his own quiet way, that there were any such thing as "natural allies" for any minority group and said that Rowland's statement was so much "expanded nonsense." In all groups one could find his friends and his enemies. No group, "progressive" or otherwise would ever be likely to sancti on homosexuality per se, he felt. In this regard, Miller spoke from the point of view of one of the Negro minority and as an individualist who only accepts and is accepted on an individualist basic.

Miss Sandors invited Dr. Evelyn Hooker to speak from the floor as she seemed to be very agitated on this point. Doctor Hooker agreed ossentially with Miller and said that in her experience of trying to get "control subjects" for her research projects from "powerful" and "liberal" trado unions she had mot with a blank "no". Not oven unofficially wore the trade unionists willing to help her with research on sexual matters, much less homosexual matters.

The rest of the audience participation consisted of questions passed up to the moderator. One provocative question care from a married lady who asked Doctor Gross how to raise the question of homosexuality and gain acceptance for homosexuals among her "normal" friends without raising hostility. Doctor Gross asked, "What's wrong with a little hostility?" A lot of hostility, he felt was very bad, but that a little was not only normal but good, for once weathering and tolerance on the part of the person she was trying to convince. Reverand Frit chman mentioned that he never let anti-semitic jokes pass without stepping on them and that in

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